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WHAT IS YOUR SUMMERTIME SCENARIO ?

posted on Jun 06, 2009 08:28AM

US Treasury Bloodbath Soaks Fund Managers

Topics:Fixed Income | Corporate Bonds | Municipal Bonds | Bonds | Treasuries

By: Reuters | 05 Jun 2009 | 04:38 PM ET


Investors have been blindsided by one financial catastrophe after another over the last 18 months, but throughout the tumult, the government bond market has been their friend.

Until now.

A brutal drop in long-dated Treasury prices has caught even the best money managers off guard—in some cases wiping out as much as 60 percent of the gains they booked in last year's huge rally in U.S. Treasuries.

The Vanguard Group, Fidelity Investments, T. Rowe Price and Hoisington Investment Management have seen their government funds down anywhere between 10 percent and 30 percent, as record amounts of debt flood the market to pay for the swelling budget deficit.

What's stunning about the portfolio declines is the swift plunge in Treasury prices within a short period of time despite the Federal Reserve's buyback purchases intended to hold down interest rates. Benchmark 10-year Treasury yields have surged to levels not seen in more than six months, resulting in meaningful losses for many portfolios.

The 10-year T-note and 30-year Treasury bond are down 8.58 percent and 24 percent, respectively, in terms of price for the year to date.



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"If I were clairvoyant and knew we were going to have a sell-off of this magnitude, I would've been all in cash, but I'm not," said Van Hoisington, whose flagship Wasatch-Hoisington U.S. Treasury Fund is down more than 20 percent.

To be fair, not all Treasury-oriented funds like Hoisington's represent an expression of a firm's macro view of economic growth or lackthereof. Some bond funds, such as the Vanguard Extended Duration Treasury Index Institutional, hold Treasuries for actuarial reasons.

Some Bulls Remain

Even so, the losses are massive. Some of the rise in yields and slide in Treasury prices is due to investors' appetite for riskier fare like stocks, junk bonds and corporate debt, which have been performing well on signs the recession is easing.

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Indeed, for much of 2008 and earlier this year, investors piled into U.S. government debt during the credit crisis, sending yields to historic lows and triggering talk of a bubble similar to that of the Nasdaq's Internet-led bubble, which expanded in the late 1990s and burst in March 2000.

But there also have been concerns about America's long-term financial health, which has set in motion a huge domino effect—leading money managers such as Hoisington to stay bullish on Treasuries.

"We ain't seen nothing yet in terms of the gazillion amount of Treasuries coming to fund our stimulus programs," said Dan Fuss, vice chairman of Loomis Sayles, which oversees more than $107.7 billion in assets.

'Bond Vigilantes'

On May 21, Moody's Investors Service said while it is comfortable with America's AAA debt rating, it is not guaranteed forever against the backdrop of its deteriorating fiscal position. That helped exacerbate market fears that the United States remains ever more vulnerable to lose its coveted triple-A rating with its need to borrow $2 trillion—or 14 percent of the country's total economic output and more than twice the record of 6 percent set in 1983.

That also has set off a chain reaction, notably with the so-called "bond vigilantes." Veteran Wall Street strategist Ed Yardeni coined the term "bond vigilantes" to describe the huge appetite for yield of investors in the 1980s, who got burned in the '70s; these investors demanded higher yields to compensate for perceived risks of inflation and budget deficits.

The phenomenon seems premature to some investors in Treasuries.

"If zero growth is gonna result in inflation, it's a new economic paradigm as far as I'm concerned," Hoisington said. His fund was up an astounding 37.77 percent in 2008.

"We do not have a forecast of runaway growth, nor does the Fed," added Brian Brennan, manager of the T. Rowe Price U.S.

Treasury Long-Term bond fund, which is down nearly 11 percent. Conversely, his fund was up more than 23 percent last year.



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The standout of the crowd, however, is Vanguard. Its Extended Duration fund, which is down over 33 percent so far this year, "is not an expression of our macro call," Ken Volpert, head of the Taxable Bond Group at The Vanguard Group, where he oversees about $200 billion in assets, told Reuters.

Volpert said the fund, which was up 55.52 percent in 2008, is primarily intended for pension plans and other institutional investors that want to closely match long-term liabilities with a portfolio of U.S. Treasury securities of similar long-term duration. He added that credit conditions have improved dramatically and confidence has come back into the markets and economy to feed the belief in recovery.

Even so, "somebody lost their shirt ... 33 percent is no small chunk of change," said Jeff Tjornehoj, research manager at Lipper Inc, a funds research firm owned by Thomson Reuters.

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Personal Comment .:

I've read a few articles and seen a few videos from the last week concerning Treasury ( US ) and the price of commodities especialy oil , and most reflected the idea of a correction for commodities ensueing a strenghtening of the US dollar over the short and even medium term .

The resulting impression i get is one of confidence , especialy after the report on job loss in the US , towards the global economy in the weeks and months ahead as money leave treasuy and look for more risky investment into corporate bonds and equities .

Yet a correction in Asia of around 10-15% seems to be increasing ,wich could also affect the price of commodities and especialy oil if the US dollar stenghtens at the same time .

If that view prevails and the markets are affected accordingly then we could see the price of gold go lower over the next couple of months maybe untill the end of july beginning of august .

IF ... and only if such was the case and since this is hypothetical ;

WHAT WOULD YOU THINK THE LOWER PRICE FOR GOLD AND OIL COULD BE TWO MONTHS FROM NOW ?

WHAT RESISTANCE COULD IT BREAK IF THE DOW WAS TO REACH THE MID 9000 AND CHINA'S MARKETS WERE TO DECLINE ABRUPTLY BY 15% ??

WHAT COMMODITIES WOULD GAIN ? WHICH ONE WOULD RECOVER FASTER ?

WHAT FUTURE RISK FOR NORTH AMERICAN MARKETS WOULD IT INVOLVE FOR THE FALL SEASON ?

AND IF THAT SCENARIO SEEMS REALY UNLIKELY TO U WHAT OTHER SCENARIO DO U ENVISION FOR THE SUMMER TIME APART FROM ENJOYING YOUR HOLYDAYS ?

My purpose is to prepare a strategy and evaluate trading actions in conditions described here . So feel free to answer or not and thank's for your time and reflections in playing this little glass bead game wether or not u condider the questions .

Tectol



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