It all comes down to strictly enforcing forum rules. If this is done all points of view can be expressed. This in itself should eliminate bashers. If everyone posted facts with supporting information it would help. I do not believe we should deal in theories or speculation. This is where soft bashers can erode the integrity of the forum. I have held CUU for sveral years and have never sold. I am hanging in to the end. Hub leaders now must take a strong stance and there will be casualties, but so be it.