I am once again shocked that some of the most intellegent posters constantly give in and grant the naysayers their prize. You all know that by argueing with Bashers you clog the board with the crap they want. WG your are obviously in the know about geology and such, use it to your advantage and out smart them. Foxy your antagonist attiutude lately is fueling the fire , be supportive but post with positive attitude. When Vette is posting DD and not letting ego get involved this board and xx board rocked. Hub leaders must step in and lead but lead with calm smart leadership or this board will fail. STOP letting THEM win. Down grade me if you must, it is only the internet so it wont matter. Good luck