So your answer of no you don't own caramax kind of shows your true thoughts of how great the project is. So why get excited that Elmer spent our money on it for us? If it was a new project I could see you showing signs of excitement as Elmer is a geo and we're not but we already had opinion when he made the orginal purchase of it and you didn't jump on it and buy your own so at that time you weren't really excited. How about boxer you own that I didn't so shows my faith on Elmer opinion, but at least I had a choice in boxer.