"I think it's perfectly acceptable to discuss Teck and Carmax as well as CUU on this hub. I also think it has been acceptable to drift into talking about the copper market in general when something interesting crops up."

Agree. What would have been suitable fodder for the OT forum in days when there was more than enough to discuss regarding Copper Fox is perfectly acceptable here under current circumstances. Let's hope those circumstances change back again sooner rather than later but I think we're going to have to be patient, because there's nothing anyone at CF or Teck can do about them at the moment.