Going back to what Elmer said about the commodity prices in 2013, I'm not sure Elmer will want to sell VD in these poor markets. He commented in 2013 that he was waiting for commodity prices to improve before selling SC, and the market is far worse now than what it was in 2013. Not convinced he will sell VD at prices that are considerably worse than when he commented about selling assets into the market two and a half yrs ago. I think he will probably go to Ernesto instead of selling VD in a bad market, and of course Ernesto will want something in return, but at what cost to shareholders? 2016 going to be interesting I think.