The cold hard facts brought us in the gutter we are in. No matter how Elmer's positive, make you feel good attitude is year after year, this has nt stopped the stock from being where it is today. If it would nt be from all the unofficial BS that was spread by posters who spoke to him and felt delighted with things to come while everything else was pointing in another direction, chances are most of us would have followed reason and sold on highs or at least not keep holding down to 12 cents. Speaking on the phone with Elmer has not led to anything good imo. Shame on me for beliving all that was reported that was completely out of whack with the official NRs.