I would hope something will come out of CUU before too long. (I was going to say soon but thought better of it.)  All the numbers on this are probably not really interesting or even relavant to Teck shareholders so nothing much was published but it's very important to us. I would hope any further details will be released by CUU and just before PDAC would be a good time to start. I mean, how do you sit in a booth at PDAC with nothing much to say or discuss? Picking rocks off the ground in Arizona only goes so far for so long.