I posted the HV numbers, without comment, because it's in BC like Schaft Creek. That should have obvious. The only spin is coming from you and your paranoia. The real debate should be about the numbers that Copper Fox will use in the PEA and how they compare with Teck's position. And it won't be a joint decision, Teck is the 75% operator who will putting up a significant sum of money(billions) to build a mine whereas Copper Fox will be long gone before that happens.