Al, I am also a reader more than a poster, but I have a suggestion for the board. Why don't you set up some kind of phone net that you can talk one on one to the guys on this board, i .e. Boss Kent, no-bear, CJR, Rundle, GW Info joe and so on, these guys are on top of everything. It saves a whole lot of typing and you can discuss things more in private. It isn't meant to be a bad thing by saying that, it could be a major turning point for all of us. I for one, have no problem with you guys having private phone conversations with the intent to get us to the permit. B.K. along with all of these other people are straight up guys. If this could happen, it could be a really good thing. Last, I want to say thank you for coming on this board and offering to help, we are close and things are looking good. dogonn