Turco, we do have constructive dialogue here sometimes, I just can't see anything constructive in the two options you put forward, forgive me for being blunt, I found it downright stupid period. now as far as the RML thingy goes do you think they understand that any RML subject put forward here it and the company gets slammed because of the constructive dialogue that shed light on what that company is really about, if you ask me, bringing their spin here has work against them, don't you think, keep banging their heads on the KRY wall only resulting in their own pain or truth