"Remember this, just because we've had a terrible beginning, doesn't mean we can't have a great ending"

Doesn't mean we will either, EZ

"Really, ......there are a large number of investors who were way over their heads on this investment and would have been no matter what I or anybody else said. I myself have never promoted buying shares, but I've heard others on numerous occasions talk about their acquistions"

Really? Yours and certain others posting style actually encouraged people to buy even though they shouldn't have all along EZ. Your "it's a no brainer", "people must have their heads in the sand", "Vz would never deny this because of the Chinese connections", mixed in with your condacendence toward the negative awareness posters is really saying the same thing.

But I suppose there is always a positive in a negative situation. Kinda like banging your head on the wall for an hour or so. It'll feel good when you quit.