I do not think the phone rang more than once and frankly was a little surprised that he answered. I asked him how many shares he has and it was well above 300k. He did a pretty good job impressing me with how much he is on the hook professionally and personally for this coming out as well as possible for the shareholders. I suppose that if anyone feels bad about recommending this to friends and relatives it makes sense that he is at the top of that list. I felt bad for myself but I can only imagine what Thanksgiving Dinner would have been like the last couple of years if i had gotten relatives involved.