Very good points you made gwr1. I do believe ecu should have shown more gain today though. But it all comes down to financials. I can live with this short gain, as long as ecu and there affiliates can stay afloat through this financial global disaster. Sure maybe there will be a buyout? We should all be able to capitilize on that. But when you can't get credit anywhere in this world you have to think {hey lets hold on to the cash we have till the big barn dance.} We all have the goods right now and should continue a hold on our positions, and not be scared out by those who will try to find a way to manipulate us out . This was a good day for us and tomorrow should be even better.