"Sorry Scruffy, I don't see it your way.

There is still no confidence in the sector and until there is, games will be played.

As of the last few minutes, citigroup has traded over 155,000,000 shares at a price of $4.00 u.s. (ECU has traded just over 255,000 at approx. $0.75 - under $175,000.00)

Tells me that the reviled banksters still control/demand confidence in the crooked system."

Seems as if you prove my point. Fundamentals say UP. Banksters and assorted crooks are allowed to illegally short the poop out of selected shares. Not for profit, but for effect. This is not OK. It is not just friendly finance. The pattern has been going on for too long. That doesn't make it "normal" any more than a thief should be tolerated just because gets away with stealing cars for years. It is manipulation, that is given a free pass even though it is illegal.

I will just agree to dissagree. I don't like it and if it were up to me I would have it stopped.