DCBass has a lot of knowledge on this matter. His coverage of the Taser settlement makes me fear for the worst. There they got 80 mln votes for 60 mln shares outstanding in 2005.

Someone here on the board made mention of a company called Gilder &something&something involved in short selling the other day. I listened today to the CC for the second time and heard that one the guys asking questions at the Q&A was a guy from Gilder &.... He didn't sound very happy.

What strikes me is that the CFO's and CEO's know these guys by the first name and that is something what always makes me a bit sick. They are asked to provide information to these financial entities, while knowing they are shorting the hell out of their company's stock. So they know that any detail they give can be used against the company.