Those are all great points, and I agree with you about the regulators looking the other way. All I'm saying is that as investors, we can no longer just sit back and say, oh the prices of the mining stocks will go so much higher when the price of Gold and Silver go back up. I could be wrong, but I think the goal of this never-ending manipulation in the miners is to bankrupt those miners that don't have enough cash on hand to survive this onslaught (this is seemingly a paradox of sorts, because fewer miners = less product=higher prices). I digress; the other goal could be to force the surviving companies to supply their product to the manipulators or face fewer and fewer options for financing their projects. If these CEO's would just bring a little more transparency to this huge issue, perhaps their fortunes could start to turn by combining their efforts?????