i had mentioned glencore had made a bid for xstrata earlier on the noront board..and mentioned i couldnt see xstrata sitting there watching themselves lose the north american market and a chunk of asia they have a monoply and this must be hard to swallow. but none the less i want big daddy in the scenario however it pans out i think frank is a genious i applauded every move but i didnt invest in a rr directly....ken