Well Frank was on BNN and never gave any indication of the new patent that was released shortly after - he obviously knew that this was in the works and couldn't let on before a public statement - I just know that I wouldn't want to play poker against this man or chess either. About cliff trying for thier appeal anyone rembember thier mine plan the whole thing was built on other companies properties - what do thay think that they can take everyones claims in ROF?