Whaler, i guess the slow down in the car industry plays a major role in mine closers and of late, diesel engines have been using gold in their catalytic converters instead of platinum. Liberty from what i hear is adding a recovery circuit at the mill to capture our platinum and palladium, and these by-products will help to lower our nickel cost, at least this is the plan,. According to the information on the Grooves, they are showing samples of over 1 gr each of these by-products per ton of ore.Traps7