B1,I disagree,he has made many excellant posts on,and in favor of LBE.Perhaps you should look at the numerous times that you are stirring things up on the ISM forum,and the reasons you seem to be there more than here.You seem to have a great understanding of both,but you like to stir the pot. Some others from Ism fall into the same as you.I,m not against differant opinions,I think it,s good to hear everyones veiw,and I learn from the good posters,yours and more often from whaler and our great group,