..Tant, not everything is black & white. JJ knows what the reserves are and the up-side from exploration. Mining is a expensive game and Liberty tried but with out cash reservers and depending on the perfect plan to play out is high risk for any junior. JJ dangled the carrot and ended up with 60 % and payments paid from future concentrate. Development of the Heart well cost millions along with all the other goodies that mining requires but in the end Liberty has the ore. The infrastructure can be repaired and Liberty can show a profit, if its the owners intentions to do so. Liberty is only one of Jj"s projects so time is on their side..Traps7