there is too much that is not good to continue giving them a pass. I believe for the most part they are decent people, but they are totally overmatched to be on a board such as Patriot's. I cannot believe the compensation structure they have annointed themselves with. Time for fresh blood. Mr. Goerner, add to the list Hawkins. They are a side saddle for a hog and are of no use whatsoever to PTSC. Hey, give me 250K in stock options and I will come sit in the corporate HQ and serve, without pay, as the investor relations guy. I can ignore people and give half-assed answers as well as Hawkins does. At least I would respond to everyone. What a wasteland....