you are obviously missing my point also. sure when you develop a chip, size is a backseat to an actual working chip. once it works then you reduce it in size. sure cm is right it was big and bulky but it did perform very well. if it did not perform. a 5 micron big and bulky then somebody had a problem. If you refuse to believe me check intel out as they reduced the size of their chips. for increased performance and lower power consumption. for years intel used the same chip just decreased size increased performance. cm is just speaking generically of any chip but seems to have problems with shboom fish helmut and ptsc. that to me is very common knowledge and cm is correct so believe him just hope the judge understands chip technology. what he is trying to do in my view is being critical and snubbing his nose. my view obviousy trying to not give any credit or credibility. hope he changes his mind. bet tpl could do it in a moment cast of greedy characters. my view waiting for my exit stategy 20 years of gargage is enuf my view only