"who here knew of the values of allpeople before investing? speak up please......i didnt." :::::::::::::::: I did. It was when Woody and Helmut were still around. They believed, they planned and then Helmut (Sr) tragically died. I had known him for years before and knew his business and marketing capabilities, having worked alongside him in several countries. After him came the gold diggers ( scrapers more like, I've not seen a one of them capable of making a real effort).