I understand that you're citing a quote from someone else who was supposedly at the meeting and heard DL say that, alledgedly. My point isn't whether you are testifying that DL said that, my point is that whatever DL said about it is totally unreliable based on his history and actions. If you understand this saying, it's the equivalent of him trying to put "lipstick on a pig", which means he's trying to hide the ugliness of the Apple deal that he cut, and its adverse effects on PTSC and the MMP in general. If you choose to believe him, that's your perogative, but if you follow my admonishment to read the history, and look at what nan0bits posted about the use of Apple in trial, you'll be hard pressed to conclude differently.