Thanks for the insight...I always have/had hope that the price will rise at some point...but it was always on the assumption that the company was working with the sole intent to bring money into PTSC...now I cannot say that and it what is bothering most about it... There are things that can give us a chance with little time we have left but is anyone on our side to make it happen. If cliff flowers is our hope then I'd say we're dead in the water.