Srandl , do you convince yourself that if you repeat lies enough times that you convince people they are true. We know the Nazis believed it was possible. We know that Glenn(Goebbels) Beck and the Fox propaganda and brainwashing network believes it. Of course if you are any example, maybe they have a point.

Incidently I just saw the Russian foreign minister asked in an interview his opinion of Obama as president. He responded that unlike Bush, this president was a thinker. When Rupert Murdoch tells you what you think of that, get back to us.