To some degree you should. Terrorists usually employ their murderous tactics against citizens of other countries, other religions, other cultures. There's no excuse for that either but it sort of makes sense when you realize what makes them tick, which is a set of values so corrupted they think they're heroes. But name one other individual in a country supposedly at peace with itself who deliberately murdered hundreds of his own fellow citizens, all innocent, with many children included?

Who said we're at peace with ourselelves? Just look at this board; are you kidding?

Don't you think a culture which allows such extreme views the kind of free expression as has been witnessed in recent weeks should take some responsibility?

Listen to what you just said here; 'a culture which allows such extreme views the kind of free expression'. Of course we allow it! It's called freedom of speach. The ability of anyone in our society to speak their mind on pretty much anything is more important than what they actually say. I defend anyones right to say pretty much whatever they want to say; whether I agree with it or not; or how stupid or ignorant it may sound. The principle is more important than the message. When that right is diminished, freedom is diminished.

Where does the humiliation part come in? Try looking at yourselves as others see you: so many, many things about the United States of America of which its citizens can be proud, but where McVeigh is concerned, 'humiliated' is not an inappropriate term.

I don't stand for or defend MvVeigh's actions. Yes, as an American he did a bad thing; and that reflects on all American's to some degree. But I don't take on the burden of responsibility for his actions.

- 67GTO