you have much more patience than i do to try and explain to those who are incapable of hearing and seeing. i guess i have become resigned to the fact that our liberals friends (and I do have 2) are much like those that were interviewed by Howard Stern recently. They astound me so much by what they think is true they have no need to learn. listen to a majority of their base talk politics. try not to laugh as they are being serious...and they will vote!