if I may etops, I think that anyone with healthy skepticism is very well tolerated on this board. Many here are definitely not cheerleaders and they are, for the most part, accepted for their views. I could compile a rather long list of them in fact. As an aside, I would like to echo Old Mike Dattolo, my long time coworker from the smelter who would often say, "as far as I know, thats all I know". He was a beauty! regards, cheapie