Babaoriley: No talk of how well the version of the VCSEL which we could mass produce now works, other than the general impression, not good enough to make a significant difference in company value.

Kath: They have produced the VCSEL that they want, many times. But there is a difference in making a prototype and manufacturing it in numbers.

Seems to be a bit of a disconnect here between what you two heard. Perhaps FJ or Rainer could get a clarification from the company on this.