And we will either have one or both, because if we don't then we probably won't go to the Naz. TM said the institutional investors want to see design wins before they're willing to back us, and to meet the Q4/Q1 target for the listing, the wins have to come out in the open.

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I wonder if there has ever been a company with real breakthrough technology that has been through the vetting ringer as harshly and repeatedly as POET has...