SF99,,you have actually never shorted a stock????,,I find that hard to believe. Why wouldnt you short a stock?? I have always said to people who told me "you will only lose your money in the stock market",,well then short it,,,thats simple,,,,,,,,,,,shorting the banks on trend lines is a start,,that where I first started years ago,,,its so much fun to make money when all the indices are red,,,,,,,,,yepper,,,,,its the stock market,,,why leave half your trading ability in a bag in a box in the drawer in the attic???