,,,one other thing I feel that happens on a regular baises in the market is the rebalance of a hloders investment account,,,,,,such as what we see between RVX and lets say BTI........if you are up considerably on RVX it maybe time to sell a portion of RVX and buy into BTI which has been sold off to a level that now looks super attactive. So no conspiracy around accummulators manipulating,,,,,,,,,,,just what you see,,,,,,a few sells here and buys of another to allot different weights/ratios to the plays in an account at this point in time,,,,,,,,,when we see large blocks on the bid and start churning a few hundred thousand shares daily we will know bigger fish swim in our pond on the day,,,,,,,,,jmo