Great post fouremm! 

"When you look at RVX the same guy has been in charge for 20+ years ....." 

Throw in another 10+ years over at zen - 30+ years in total & their main message to shareholders is "have patience " & we won't "tolerate abuse" 

I ask, who's being abused? They spin everything / market conditions/ shareholders etc etc as if to say their the real victim's in all this.