( But it seems like I've run smack into another clique of another kind here. If Agoracom's SGR forum exists to suit their own personal purposes, fine--I assume from their posts that these people started it in the first place. But if this is the case, the rules governing the forum are a sham, and any posters expecting otherwise should be forewarned.))).. I see from your post ,that after reading all of the discussion you decided that we ( my -self 3 flags ) were trying to sell something and trying to make personal gains. I must say after sitting out West and drinking cheap scotch, you kinda missed the conversation. I was not trying for any personal purpoose other than trying to assit the conversation . Apicture is worth a thousand words, and Rookie ask a question about what the red lines referred to. This general conversation may seem bland to you, but their was alot of thank you s going around ,so i guess others new the drift of the conversation. Imagine, growen ups, having to meet out by the bike rack. I think some might be better off attending a gym class. Traps7