Mb, you made me laugh, maybe that is what we all need in times like this? Yes, San is getting manipulated like all stocks, companies, organizations it take money and clout to do it, us little guys do not have that, hang in there, we have these past months since our first purchase Oct 09,2007 and we have done pretty well, buying lower selling higher, while keeping a core position, is that not what the pros say and I am not close to being a pro, and not always right with good timing, Jasmts