The other thing that I read into the call was the reluctence to over promise. They are upgrading the mill to 1600/1800tpd yet when asked ian quickly lowered the year end throughput downwards to 1400 or so. I think they got the message from investors and are being very careful about overstating their targets and goals. You also saw that cautious approach when ian didn't go along with the 15,000 ounces and spoke of 14,000. I have no problem taking their realistic targets and dreaming of bigger and better, so when you start with Dales big fish stories you can really get some wild projections. lol