jcmancin and Lunch, nice to see the different points of view as different opinions are healthy facts for those following Sans story. ..my-self having work 30 yrs through out the mining sector & investing 40 yrs only in mining stocks have seen alot of ( WTf ) junior failures with safty being the number one reason.. On the other hand San has had a good safty record while employee"s now with 5 + yrs expierence are adding to the daily tonage but are only directed by good management and this seems to have caught the traders attention..San themselves set their own targets which Analyst use to set their target prices so in the chain of command the Coo should be lookig over his mining plan and pick out the short falls whether being equipment or the high strip ratio...without prejudice...PS' Old Hound, sorry but i did not know about the Conference call rule, having to be a Analyst too call..what a bunch of ...ore...Traps7