Silver, I seem to recall giving you the gears about the death cross when it happened as a lamen technical indicator which in hindsight proved to be pretty significant. My apologies. Eventually the 50 dma will cross back over the 200 dma to the good side which is getting closer by the day. The 50 day is .91, 200 is 1.10. What I'm trying to say is the bottom will form before the cross as did the top. I think there will be no more selling pressure after December 24 unless the fiscal cliff isn't a Y2K polyanna type event so I think the bottom is in.