dc, I think most of the posters "over there" sense the desperation and see through the ridiculous tactics of the resident bashers. Especially when their games are pointed out and facts contradicting their positions are posted. Newbies may be confused at first (especially because there are legitimate criticisms of the company), but any serious investors who do their DD (with a little help and a nudge in the right direction) will quickly recognize the dark side for what it is.