Guys, this board is starting to degenerate into personal stuff again. No need at all. Disagree, but keep your mothers out of it.

BTW, personal stuff (especially attacks) are one of the most common reasons posts are removed over at the other board. I don't agree with how strictly it's enforced, but it does keep the other board civil, if not honest. This board is usually both, but it requires more self-enforcement since I'm not going to spend my time policing this place.