you know Chistian Q at the last shm, I ask him point blank if ( lliad ) had been payed off and he said that they had been paid off, know if he lied to me, i will hit him up about that if we have another shm, see as someone said that Kiser said they still owe them money then chistian lied , i do not like to be lied to. i will be out of town the next 4 days but will call kiser and ask him about that when i get back.........cowboy