exactly and at those prices you don't mind owning them......these p&f targets cannot be relied on...but have used them and picked up some decent buys. They get adjusted all the time and I adjust the bid as I see fit.....yes your're right ed's pick was crc....well I guess who cares anyhow....if silver hits below 14 we should get some good buys on silver plays......I held my core of fr which I won't worry abot as silver ebounds...but in retrospect....