I hear you on that Kim and appreciate the input.The only thing I would say about that is the old bull bear and pig slogan.To have not made money on timminco if you had bought early on would mean you were downright greedy.These guys are really smart all right and do look out for #1 but getting in near the ground floor and selling on the way up so you own some for free isn't a bad thing.You are right though that it is definitely not something to fall in love with when they are involved.Plus they haven't gone on bnn and hyped the heck of yet as far as I know.That's when the sell signal starts to sets in.