Yes believe we are all suffering from the Donner hangover.Especially the rest of the jr's that are still around.I mean how can anyone get any funding done in this environment.As for the Donner fiasco,what stuns me is that there is not more outcry from anyone involved in the last pp.Basically management collected those funds that are now solely to appease creditors ie the gov't loan.How can that go on without word?Thats my last words on it.Moving on to what's left.In the jr's that means not much.Think for the next little while I will be concentrating on jr's from the Forbes group of holdings.They at least seem to be well run and have some access to money when need be.