I know what you are saying RF, but how do you drag them away from their iPhones and their Facebook? The teachers can't even require kids to be polite to them these days. In the meantime, do we let those people on SH get away with their "antics" because we want to be friends with them and hope that they come around to our point of view on being polite? How long you got? Can't see it myself. Ike