I agree with you on one thing, it was fun, but not the rest. Hans is enthusiastic and passionate, but not dishonest, and he lost quite a bit of cash on this project as did Binder despite their efforts to attract investment through this board. The only way to make money was to short the stock, and they were certainly not trying to depress the price, they were long. They emphasized the upside, which will come to pass. Woody has it nailed. Besides, he may be back. I think he will regret his decision to sell after we see gold hit the heights in the next little while and investment loosens up. You can see this evening gold is up $10 (after being up $18 earliet in the evening) after the robbery of Cyprus bank deposits over the weekend. Who is going to keep big bucks in the banks after that? Ike