I have comparably little position in Zen so in that vein am kind of out of the game.

I only see what I see. There was a line in the sand on the chart at 3.68ish but the promotion was going on in the 4's and all the way down. With hindsight I personally think that was to support an average exit price.

Then the soft 'whittle' bash was to sell and reload, in my opinion.

I have no worries or angst, just like honesty.

APH as I was told it, was a play attempted to be manipulated between members whom had preferred shares/information.

Zen is a play that was aggressively promoted by a website leader on different boards. To then harrange shareholders is bad taste.

You are never done